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Quick rundown. I started with recurves about 30 years ago. A snap shooter at 26” draw length. It worked well for me in that I was sufficiently accurate at 20 yards for taking deer and small game. Recently transitioned to ASL bows at a much lower draw weight. I started drawing further and settled into what I would describe as a “cam-over” position where my shoulders and draw hand elbow are aligned giving the feeling of “let off” similar to what is experienced drawing a compound bow. Has any of you experienced this in going from recurves to ASL bows? And what are your thoughts?
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No. It looks like finally you got in your “alignment” and with a low draw weight your “wrong” muscles took a pause. If you go back to a draw weight you don’t pull easy, you will do what you did before: 26” DL and snap shooting. Clear case of overbowed and poor stance at full draw “cured” by a light bow with a longer AMO.
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Well, there’s that. I wish I had not start with 60 and 70 pound bows. But I shot just fine that way until I tried it with the lighter longbow. I know some of why it didn’t work, the mass wasn’t there to stabilize and my fingers wanted to hang on the string when I thought about releasing it, all symptoms of poor form. Now that I’ve developed those proper muscles, refined my release through proper alignment, I can short draw snap shoot as a happy camper.
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I'll bet the straight grip of the longbow gives a more stable bow arm and makes the weight a little easier to manage too. I know for me at least, I can shoot a lot more weight with a straight grip than I can a high wrist recurve grip.
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There are many ways to skin a cat (or shoot a bow). Getting away from right or wrong, changing form changes, or can change, your whole perspective.
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My form changes from one shot to the next when I’m roving. Even my anchor point changes, especially on long distance shots when I anchor below my jaw.
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No. It looks like finally you got in your “alignment” and with a low draw weight your “wrong” muscles took a pause. If you go back to a draw weight you don’t pull easy, you will do what you did before: 26” DL and snap shooting. Clear case of overbowed and poor stance at full draw “cured” by a light bow with a longer AMO.


I totally agree, well said!

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My form changes from one shot to the next when I’m roving. Even my anchor point changes, especially on long distance shots when I anchor below my jaw.


That's normal for anything, not just archery. While "in action" you will use what is "sufficient", where execution is just a part of the things happening. 
I was always taught that what you do outside the controlled/formal training is what you really assimilated during that phase. That's the reason for training serious while learning: to have more and more things that will stick with you when you want to have just fun.

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I’ve benefited greatly switching to longbows, I shoot my recurves so much better now.
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I tend to agree with Draven.  Most of what you feel is due to the lower draw weight.  
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  I agree with the proper alignment analogy. Finally you aren't overbowed and the "let off" is getting to the right spot. 

  A lower wrist grip does, at least for me, make for a more stable bow arm and shoulder without a doubt.
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If I’m able to get another recurve I really think I would prefer a low wrist grip now that I’ve been figuring this out.
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  Unfortunately it's really difficult to find a recurve with an honest to goodness low wrist grip any more.
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A Hoyt Buffalo fits the bill for recurve with low wrist handle. As second hand is not bad priced. It has proprietary limbs but I doubt this is important.
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A Browning Wasp has a fairly low grip.
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Find a reasonable one on ebay and change it to your specs. It isn't THAT difficult to do.
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A great Northern Ghost can be had with a straight grip.  That's as low as they come. Some other 50s style bows as well as the the 55-58 Bear Kodiaks they're often patterned after have low wrist grips.
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Well, I’m not looking for a new bow. I think you folks are a bad influence. Although your bad influence is very helpful in giving me some nice bows to choose from. Thanks 😊
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Take a look at 7Lakes archery, they have a recurve with a longbow handle
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" I think you folks are a bad influence. "

Noooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!![biggrin]

Good Luck with your progress Patrick

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