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Draven

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Today I had the time to go out and do the promised match-up:

DH Mamba vs Black Widow HS58

DH Mamba: 
The "ebony" Mamba was produced just cca. 10 years, from1986 to 1994 - old model, non FF. AMO 58" and #55 @28". String Dacron, Brace Height 7.5"
Bow weight including string and silencers : 1.6 lbs or 0.750g

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Black Widow HS58:
It is '75-'76 model, aluminum riser. AMO 58" - hence the HS58 - #55@28". String Dacron. Brace Height 8.5/8" .
Bow weight including string and silencers: 3.5 lbs or 1.600g

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The real draw weight for me is DH Mamba #56.7 on fingers and Black Widow HS58 #54.8 on fingers
Bows one next to other:

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The arrows used are:
1. DCA 400 - total arrow 448gr for ~ 8.2 gpp 
2. GT trad 340 - total arrow 562gr for ~ 10 gpp
I've shot 5 each 3 times for each bow.

Results:

10 gpp arrow
DH Mamba : 168 fsp average
Black Widow HS58: 158 fps average

8.2 gpp arrow
DH Mamba : 178 fps average
Black Widow HS58: 168 fps average

Conclusion:

The 1" difference in BH has a saying too. 

Black Widow HS58 it is on the losing side of this battle but it gains in steadiness. If you like a heavy and stable bowhand, this is the way to go. Sound wise, the heavy arrow helps, when shooting the lighter arrow the bow was almost noisy. 

DH Mamba feels good and sounds good when shooting both type of arrows. It is a pure blood race horse, with the same temperament. When I am doing my part, it is very accurate. I played 10 minutes with it since I am rusty with all this Covid-19 and not going to the indoor training since it started. 

5 arrows, 20 yards, DH Mamba using split-vision

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DH Mamba is the etalon bow for me, and I can say that even if it is "hunting" bow, will give a run for the money to my ILF for 3D or Indoor. 




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Heresy!
I demand a rematch!

You wanted the Mamba to win

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62" #55 Fox High Sierra 
62" #58 Black Widow MA
64" #56 A&H ACS 
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For me Mamba won it. Maybe for you Black Widow wins it. Maybe the new Black Widows are better, but I think that a Mamba with FF string will look at them through the lateral mirror. 
Black Widow wins it for stability of the shot. I have no problem to use it in an indoor competition. If I add 16oz weight it is almost my Black Bear weight - 4.5lbs

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Hopefully you know that I was just kidding....😇 

Thanks for the review 


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62" #58 Black Widow MA
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Widowmaker 350 Carbon shafts
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LOL 
I thought you know me better 😃
Thanks

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PS I had a witness during the test

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The grey Howatt Mamba was always one of my all time favorite bows. I let my little brother talk me out of mine and never replaced it.

Good comparison Draven.
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Hello Draven:

I probably "owned" that bow at one time. I had the Canadian Distributorship for B.W back in the 70s. I probably imported and subsequently sold that bow back in the day. I was in Ontario at that time but have retired and now live in New Brunswick. Still a small world out there!

Hope you continue to enjoy your HS. I have very fond memories of those early Widows. Regards, Dan
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Hello Dan, small world it is 🙂 
I really like the HS and I was kind of disappointed to know the BW is no more making limbs for it. New technology glass-wood limbs on this one or carbon-wood will transform it in the holy grail of BW. The geometry of the riser and the stable feeling while shooting it is above anything I had the chance to put my hands on.
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Love the HS in 58".
Have had three.........

'83 model was spiderweb finish, 59# and used a pin and bolt to attach each limb.

'75 model was semi gloss like my '72 HF1225, has a bolt through riser for limb attach (same as my 83 had), but there was a threaded pin that was on the riser, went through the limb and used a collar, kinda like the HF1225.

my '91 has the single bolt and pin like the '83. But it has a radiused riser and FF rated limbs.
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75 HS 58.jpg

Can see the inward brass collars for the riser's threaded pins.
'75 model, 55#@28"
Put one in the shoulder of an 8 pt and considered it cursed, sold it LOL
Well, I did have a new to me '91 FF rated one before I sold it.............took me 3 yrs to find one.

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Do think the dual lock down attachment more quiet than single bolt and pin per limb.

Shot a DH mamba, and owned a couple of 2800s. The grip doesn't work for me and I find them to have quite a bit of handshock.

Have had two HF, three HS and two SA and one MA. Have tried DH, Bear and some others........about 35 total.
BW works best for me. 

But may not for somebody else. Guess that's why we have so many makers. Its all good.
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Nice! I radiused mine using steel epoxy putty. It was one HS sold on LW a couple of weeks ago, a new face lift done by BW. I've learnt that the black series came into place to sell bows with some visual flaws in limb's construction.
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