As for the term “subconscious,” Freud used it interchangeably with “unconscious” at the outset. The words are similarly close but not identical in German (subconscious is das Unterbewusste; unconscious is das Unbewusste). But he eventually stuck with the latter term to avoid confusion. He couldn’t have predicted that the confusion would still exist after more than 100 years of discussion.
As a general rule, then, in most of the professional literature where mental functioning is concerned (including not just psychoanalysis, but also psychiatry, psychology, and neuroscience, among others), writers—like Freud—tend to use the word “unconscious” rather than “subconscious.” Although the word “subconscious” continues to appear in the lay literature, it is rarely defined carefully and may or may not be synonymous with “unconscious.”
Some neuroscientists find the concept of an unconscious to be a problem, because the terminology implies that the unconscious is a place, a true anatomical location, as it were, in the brain. Freud, as a neurologist, did think in terms of neurobiology. But he didn’t have twenty-first century tools to help him analyze the structure, function and complex interactions among nerve cells, neural circuits, or brain regions.
"Joel tries to repair TP archers with verbal cues" - An oversimplification"Sensei from that type of archery" - One thing I learned from the study of Koryu arts and not gendai arts is that they do not stress over the exact meaning of a word or really exactly how it is done. All they care about is that it works. Ask and Shihan why a joint locks works and they will not give you a detailed breakdown. "that your feelings, your body and your bow and arrow should become one with your intention" - Again an over simplification. Much more going on than that. Just like the "empty mind" misinterpretation of Mushin. The literal translation is "empty mind", but the reality is that you focus on nothing but are aware of everything.
"Hint, intention is not to "pull, pull, pull" - That is not an intention in Joel's system." The theory behind the mantra is to find the weak area in your shot and to reinforce your mind to focus on this area with a verbal command. An example of this is “keep pulling”, but what if your not weak in this area. Well then you have to find where your weakness is at and then apply a mantra to get thru it."
I suggest you too talk to Joel instead of making assumptions on what he is saying.
"Sensei from that type of archery" - One thing I learned from the study of Koryu arts and not gendai arts is that they do not stress over the exact meaning of a word or really exactly how it is done. All they care about is that it works. Ask and Shihan why a joint locks works and they will not give you a detailed breakdown.
There is no weakness in a correct learnt shot sequence. He is teaching how to overcome a weakness due to the lack of understanding the technical part of the sequence. An archer has "split- attention" using this method: attention to the target and attention to pull. It is bad? Not really, if it brings someone back to the sport. But I believe this is not the end, it is a stage.
"Again, different experience. The 7th Dan I've met knew when I asked specific questions. They don't share what they know very easy, it is another story. Or the fact that in general non-japanese Sensei need to have a good relation with their japanese counterparts"The people I was speaking about were Japanese and one was the 22nd generation grand master. I have seen it over and over, people ask why and they just smile. Just do it and quit worrying about that which does not matter, that is what that smile says. They do share and openly, once they see that you are genuine. I was allowed to read "well, he translated it to me" the sacred scrolls. It is all about "shin" to them."If you are aware of everything how can you say it is a surprise and blame unconscious on parts of execution? Unless you are the guardian of the unconscious / subconscious word just because is trendy". First, I would say you do not understand the concept of mushin. Second, I never said I use Mushin in archery. That was in reply to you saying this "that your feelings, your body and your bow and arrow should become one with your intention" That last statement is an oversimplification and I used mushin as a analogy to show what I meant."There is no weakness in a correct learnt shot sequence. He is teaching how to overcome a weakness due to the lack of understanding the technical part of the sequence. An archer has "split- attention" using this method: attention to the target and attention to pull"
No weakness, okay. Who is to say what is a "correct" shot sequence? Many bare bow archers do not use the KSL sequence and they do just fine, same for hunters. Many that use the KSL sequence also do not fair well, while others do. So according to you, those who do not fair as well, they have no "weakness"?
Again speak to Joel, your assumptions are inaccurate.
"You win man. Mushin is applied in archery, you just don't know" - Not about winning, maybe to you. You cannot "apply" Mushin, It is a state of mind that you have, at all times, you do not turn it on or off. Mushin is a part of budo, just like zanshin. Budo to most means "Martial Arts", which is the literal translation. Yet it means so much more. The Japanese would watch a person doing waza and say "Good Budo". many like you would take this literal, and think it means the technique of what they were doing. However, they did not mean good technique, but rather the state of mind showed by the practitioner. To the Japanese Koryu arts it is not about "How" you do it, but rather your approach to it. That is why your reference to Kyudo and mushin are so far off.All I said was semantics over "surprise V Subconscious" to which you went off on several tangents, to which I replied. I can see life and archery from other peoples perspectives and unlike you I will not tell them what they are doing. I try to see it and understand it from their point of view without getting caught up over the semantics of terminology. Nothing more, nothing less. I have enjoyed this thread and I have learned from it too. Good night and enjoy.
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