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 Should you shoot recurves?
 Shooting a recurve is an unnatural act, but I don't judge 5 62%
 Shooting a recurve is hard, but the hunting benefits are usually worth it 1 12%
 Shooting a recurve is better than having sex, especially at my age 2 25%
Multiple choice poll. Total votes: 8. This poll has been closed.


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If God had intended for bows to have curves, he wouldn't have made tree trunks straight.  There, I said it.  Ã°Å¸Ëœâ€žÃ°Å¸Ëœâ€ 

Okay, so since I couldn't make it out to the TAS Worlds this week, I have hung up the "target" bows and gone straight to my hunting setups. Twice this week I've had a great day on the 3D range with my 66", #52 NM Sprague reverse handle longbow and have been struggling immensely with my 58", #49 Bob Lee Blackhawk recurve. The brace height and nock point all seem right and both carbon and wood arrows fly well out of the bow.  I just can't get any consistency in how I shoot it. I shoot 3-4" groups at 20 yards with the Sprague, but totally missed a couple targets at 15 yards with the Blackhawk. How is that even possible? I really want to improve how I shoot this bow because it's probably coming down to London Oaks with me for an exotic hunt the first week in December. But not if I can't figure it out in the next few weeks. Plan B is a 62" BW PSAX that pulls #46@28.  Have a couple of other one-piece choices, but since I'm flying I really need to stick with a takedown. The Sprague is a TD, but it's just challenging to shoot it inside Tim's blinds. Have a 62", #49 TD Whisper that is my other LB choice.

So I'm done whining. I guess I'm just interested in whether folks think I should keep trying to figure out how to shoot the recurve or declare it a fool's errand and stick with longbows.  I am sure there iare least one or two guys out there who have faced this decision or one similar to it.  

I set up a poll on the top of the post in case you want to weigh in anonymously.

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String angle? For me, life begins at 62" + for recurves, 66" + for longbows. Also, check your tab. I've had a worn tab hang up on the string causing some wild misses.
You might try shooting your Blackhawk  with two fingers.  
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Bob, The Black Widow seems like the best choice. The 62” length will be fine inside a ground blind and at 46# that’s all you need for deer. I would take the BW and start working on form. 
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I voted 1 since it is true. The natural tendency is to grab the bow by the handle like you would grab a longbow ... and from here all the bad things come if the recurve handle is not for you. I've started with a yumi which is a recurve, but the handle is the stick itself - it is a selfbow with curled tips. 

PS Shoot the recurves you have like a longbow and you will get better results. Cant it until it feels right in your hand. If it needs to be at 45, so be it. 

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I can shoot a  recurve fine and can get perty good with it if I shoot it a bit

BUT----- a ASL style longbow  just hits naturaly for me ---consistantly more accurate with it and it just feels natural

a hybred longbow kinda between  the two in feel  - for me  (don't really like them )

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...a hybrid longbow kinda between the two [recurve & longbow] in feel  - for me  (don't really like them )

Have a 60", #44 Lonestar 50's-style recurve in the mail from Jim Belcher over at Bivouac Bow Co.. Expect it will be a more natural feel for me than either the Bob Lee or the BW grips. If nothing else, with green glass and a green riser it will be fun to just look at.

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Without getting 'too deep', I can shoot a recurve rather well;  but I prefer the 'right' longbow better.
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I didn’t vote because at 20 yards and under I don’t have any real issues shooting either my recurves or my R/D LB. BUT, if push came to shove I would take the LB hunting simply because it is dead quite especially with wood arrows. Now my easiest recurve to shoot is my Bear Mag riser and with its slimmer grip that maybe why I have little issues switching back and forth. My bow hand seems to “remember “ how to hold/grip the risers. Sounds corny but it works for me
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I started out shooting recurves, but after discovering the longbow, I never looked back.. I just enjoy it more than a curve, but I know a lot of guys who are much more comfortable with a recurve.
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Rob,
I am going to attempt to ignore your thread title, and address your comments, because they are slightly more rational.

I know there are TONS of guys on here that PREFER longbows to recurves, but I don't know that I have ever seen anyone that couldn't shoot a recurve better given they approach it with an open mind (again, setting aside preferences, which I totally get). As much as I try to enjoy longbows, psychologically I tell myself I shoot curves better. I suspect this is happening to you, the romance of a longbow has you under its spell, and I think that you should bring those 'unnatural' curvy bows of yours to the ranch, and I will take them off of your hands!
I actually hope you do bring both, because I would like to see with my own eyes the results you describe....I suspect you are subconsciously throwing errant arrows to achieve the desired results. An ideology is a strong motivator, and often causes us to deny the obvious...I should stop before I get political!
For the record, we have several setups now(thanks to many hours of hard work by Bisch) that will accommodate your longbows.

Also, I would have answered #3 on you survey, if it hadn't had the "especially at my age" on it... At least my recurve is ALWAYS in the mood....

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Clovis, you still have that 57 kodiak? That seems like a good balance between both. If i remember correctly you shot that bow really well.
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Shooting any Trad bow straight up and down is unnatural. Bows just fit in your hand with a natural cant!!!! 


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I cant the bow some...longbow and recurve.  Broadheads and field points...
In some ways the recurve is easier to shoot, depending on the recurve. 
 
There are guys that due to release issues have difficulty with the sensitivity of recurve limbs.  I have found I am not a fan of the super static super curve bows.  I did only try one example, but it is the dragster of trad bows and just too touchy for me on minor form errors.  Too sensitive for me.  Those are the most extreme example of recurve and the popular new limb design.  The happy middle is probably ideal in a hunting bow for most archers. 

Howard Hill tried them all and wrote about the longbow working for him.  In contemporary bow-hunters, Ed Ashby wrote about this in an article about the ACS longbow and his struggles to shoot a recurve accurately in hunting shots.  http://www.acsbows.com/shooting-the-acs-cx-longbow/

Recurve worked well for Bear, Schafer, and many others.  

Keith Bain was one of those fellas that could shoot equally well, maybe a touch better with a longbow, but he was very accurate with the Black Widow recurve.  Once saw him smoke a course in Austin beating a guy shooing an olympic recurve face walkin little carbon arrows and shooting like 38 pounds, Keith with woodies and I believe one Pat Ley's Sley longbows.
 
For a bowhunter, I would ask how do you shoot under the pressure of a killing shot?  Shoot the middle...Jeff

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Shooting any Trad bow straight up and down is unnatural. Bows just fit in your hand with a natural cant!!!! 

Bisch


Sometimes you just need to think through a problem.  With a little help from your friends....

Woke up this morning with the words "It's not the bow, it's the arrows." screaming at me in my head.  Grabbed some 400s and 500s with 200gr points and headed out to the garage before my first cup of coffee.  Opened the garage door so I could get 15 yards and nocked up a 400.  As I started to draw, I remembered this post and cranked the Blackhawk over to a 1:30 cant.  I guess it worked. Both with the 28" orange 400s and the 27" yellow 500s. These were the only 6 arrows I had time to shoot. Can't wait to get back out to the 3D range later this week and see what we can do with it.

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Glad it's working for you! I shot my r/d bow longbow and my recurve at a 3d last month. I scored one point higher with the recurve.
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Absolutely detest longbows.
Bows, like women, should be curvy LOL
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