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Jacques Bonin

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There are three reverse handled bows in the following pictures!!!
Two Howard Hill longbow and one American Longbow!!!
All sport chocolate brown glass back!
The "Tembo11" is 70"90#s@32" sports brown glass belly and Myrtle riser bamboo limb core!!!
This bow is the smoothest drawing!!!!
American Longbow, "The Hunter" is 68"75#s@28"
Sports white glass belly!!!!
Howard Hill longbow, "Mountainman 11" is 68"57#s@28" sports white glass belly!!!
Two have Myrtle riser's and bamboo limb cores!!!

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Note the 70" "Tembo11" has limb tip overlays!!!
I have several other, some made with yew, etc.!!!

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Nice looking bows, I can't quite come to grips with a reverse handle ASL but I'm slowly getting there. Especially considering I can shorten the overall length for hunting.
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U..... You can usually get away with a Longbow three to four inches shorter!!! The performance is pretty much the same!!!
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Jacques ole pal PM some info on dat dare White bell Hill 56#
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I really like my reverse handles the best. To each his own, for sure.
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Jacques, sent you a pm.
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Hmmm.  The comment that one can get away with a 2-4-inch shorter bow with a reverse grip piqued my interest.  Don 't have a lot of experience with them, but do have a JD Berry Valor, 68 inches, 46#, that I really like.  Was thinking it would be even nicer if I could find a Valor or perhaps a Northern Mist Whisper in 66 inches at about the same weight. Anyone have one they'd like to trade?
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100_9067.jpg  100_9068.jpg  100_9069.jpg  100_9072.jpg  100_9073.jpg  100_9074.jpg  100_9076.jpg  100_9077.jpg  100_9078.jpg  I have this beauty, 😉 it is now beyond my limits. It is 70" long and 80#. All marking have long since worn off. [frown] 




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Wow Jacques, you always have some beautiful bows. To bad their way to heavy for me!
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  I'm not sure why you could get away with a shorter bow other than the fact that the overall arrow length COULD be shorter if you use the back of the riser or you knuckle for a draw check.  The arrow could be as much shorter as the riser is deep.
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The limbs are roughly an inch and a half closer to your hand, lay a reverse on top a standard grip alingn belly side of grips and see where the standard string lays in reference of the other string!! You too will see how much shorter you can go with a reverse handled
Longbow!!!

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Yep.  With a reverse grip, the limbs aren't flexed as much/far for a given draw. That means that the string angle isn't as acute at full draw(compared to a standard riser), which leads to less finger pinch and stack.

I might add that the same feature is likely to make them a little less efficient (i.e., reduce performance a little) than a forward handled bow, though probably not enough to notice or worry about.
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  Moving the limbs behind the pivot point of the grip, regardless of what the side view profile (ASL, recurve, D/R longbow etc.) creates deflex in the design. That doesn't mean the limbs don't move as far when the bow is drawn.
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FDP, a reverse handle doesn't create any deflex in a straight limbed ASL. The limbs are still coming straight off the riser, though some may build a little back set/reflex into the limbs.

The limbs may look deflexed, but they're not. On an ASL, the part of the riser that meets the limb stack is always a straight line.  The riser shape doesn't change the limb shape of an ASL, regardless of which side it's put on. 

A typical ASL riser puts about 1 1/2 inches of wood between the palm of the hand and the laminations.  A reverse handle puts that 1 1/2 inches on the other/back side of the stack such that the belly of the bow is resting directly on the archer's bow hand. So, when drawing a reverse handle bow, it's limbs are flexed/bent 1 1/2 inches (or whatever the thickness of the riser is) less than they would be if they were placed on the back side of the riser.

Of course, to get the same weight at a given draw length as a standard riser, builders need to slightly increase the stack thickness/limb thickness. The reverse handled riser has the effect of shortening the draw force curve, which in turn would reduce performance a bit.  On the other hand, the fact that the bowyer builds the limbs a little thicker to compensate, performance may be the same, all other things being equal.

BTW, this relationship holds on deflexed recurve risers as well.  A forward/reverse handle Black Widow, for example, doesn't bend the limbs as far as say a Silvertip, on which the limbs are placed on the back side of the riser.  They both have deflex coming off the riser, but the BW limbs aren't flexed as far for a given draw length, all other things being equal.  



 



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Dead on , your absolutely correct!!!
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