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Jack Skinner

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Looking for measurements on some bows. Naturals no fiberglass ASL's. Like some Miller's and Schultz. Bamboo, Osage, yew

Need bow length string grove to grove

Handle length and width and depth

Riser length from end of fade to fade

Does bow bend into the fade or not

Limb width at fade. Is that widest part of limb or is farther along. Does it have straight taper to knocks

Knock width

How many lamentations and bow weight

Can you tell if trapped, if so to back or belly

Messing with building a few neutrals and this info will help a lot

Thanks in advance if you can help. You can PM if you prefer



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Just by one of mine jack 😂
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Jack, There’s a TAS member named Joe from Florida that visits our site. The last time I seen him was in March, and he built a beautiful natural. I think he took Miller’s class. It would be great if he see’s this post and chimes in.

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I have been considering Miller's class, may be a viable option.

Yehwa that would be an expensive option I am sure.

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Let us know what ya find Jack
I’m always available for R&D at reasonable rates😈

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Here's the way I do them...  66" ntn. 12" fade to fade riser. I like Myrtle for the riser as it "gives" a little in the fade area. You can't hardly make one that doesn't want to bend a little at the fade. The harder the riser wood the more likely you will be to have the riser pop loose.

I do a stack of 3 bamboo tapers (.002), hard shell back worked as thin as possible, I usually make the belly lam as thick as I can order from Old Masters taper .001 and tiller and bring to weight by scraping it. Normally I start with a max width of 1 1/8" and will usually finish at 1"+ .  I carry that width from fade to fade. The limb tapers from the 1" width at the fade to 3/4" at the nock. As I bring the bow straight to string I will taper the width from a mark at 8" from the nock to the nock and 1/2" final width there. Standard 4" handle length, 2 1/4" deep, 1" thick. I don't trap the limbs at all though I might if I really missed weight which I like to be around 55# for my personal bows.

Hope this helps. I'll have to brave the snow to get to my records in the shop.
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Thanks Mr Lamb.

Those measurements are almost exactly where I was going to start.

Great idea on belly lamb being the thickest just makes sense. I was thinking power lam at back but like your idea better.

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One more thing. I like to glue up the core first on a form with about 2" of backset. Then glue on the  hard shell back using a different form with only about 1" of backset. Once that's all done I prep the gluing area for the riser and glue it down in a block form. I shape the dips and handle depth once it's set.  

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What a beauty! Thanks for your expertise
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No problem buddy. If you have any questions I'll do my best to answer them.  I'm probably going to build another one in the next month or so. IMG_1014.jpgThis shows that the bow hasn't taken much set at all.

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I’ve got a Miller Hawk with the following specs:
66” NTN
Handle 4x1-1/8x1-7/8
Riser length 11-5/8
Limb width at fade 1-1/8
Fade is widest part of the limb. Slight change in taper as it gets to the tip. I think this is because Miller started with 5/8 tips then reduced the last 12” or so to narrow the tips to 1/2” after the tiller was complete.
There are four lams, the belly lam has been thinned for weight and tiller
Weight is 48@26. There is about 3/4” string follow on both limbs.

Hope this helps.
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Dwayne Thanks that does help.

Charlie you the man. Nothing better than a dead ground rat.

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Beautiful bow Charlie. Well done.
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Charlie, looking at that bow is it bamboo with yew belly lam? Is there any other wood lamps in the bow?
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That is a beautiful bow, Charlie.
Jack, I look forward to seeing what you come up with when you start making them. I've never shot a "natural", but it does intrigue me quite a bit. They would seem to fit nicely between the glass ASLs and selfbows.
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 That's right Jack. My favorite combo. Bamboo with a yew belly. That's all that's in there. The color difference you may see comes from me using what I had on hand. One natural bamboo lam near the back and the others are amber boo. The yew lam is edge grain which I didn't do on purpose. I forgot to specify when I ordered and was sent edge grain instead of flat grain.
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Very nice looking bow Mr. Lamb.  I obtained a Miller Sage not to long ago and it is about as fine and sweet shooting of longbow as you could ask for.  Jack I will be interested to see what you come up with when you start building the all wood bows for sure!  I've worked on that JET I obtained from ya and it sure is nice.  Picked up a Wallace Special too and believe it or not the one I obtained from you has the exact same profile as for the limb back set, so go figure.  I've tried contacting the maker of the JET's to no avail.  keepem sharp

PS  If anyone has an interest in an original Jack Howard Gamemaster from the mid to late 60's let me know, I'd be happy to trade for another longbow
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