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LongbowManNZ

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Hello everyone

I apologise if this has been brought up before. I normally shoot a longbow at IFAA tournaments over here in New Zealand, but I just stumbled over my lovely Osage selfbow and thought I want to give this a go.

IFAA rules are a bit strange when it comes to selfbows from what they told me. But while it looks all good there is a big question mark around the nocking point. They do allow it, if historic proof can be given. In itself a bit odd for a selfbow. Given it's an Osage bow, maybe I can play the native american card? Would anyone know about the use of nocking points on the string in this situation, by any chance?

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Hi Markus,

What you’re asking is, if a native American bow had a nocking point then it’s OK to have a nocking point in IFAA rules. Is that correct?

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Hi

Yes :) Should have asked it that way!

However someone here might know more about IFAA rules in the historical class that might also help.

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Here is the actual language from the IFAA Book of Rules for the Historical Bows category.

"h. Accessories such as woven nocking point indicators and thumb rings shall be permitted, provided that such accessory was used during the historic use of the bow."

Have reached out to a couple of American bowyers who build historically accurate Native American bows based on actual museum pieces.  Perhaps one of them can answer the question.

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"Historic" as a term does not preclude other than native use, be it American, European or whichever continent you thrive on. It just means it was done that way in the past. Are the 30s, 40's and 50's historic ? That's what they used till well into 40's and 50's isn't it ?

"The historic use of the bow"....THAT bow or THE bow, as in bows as a class of tool.

Isn't it ?

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Appears there is no historical evidence of Native Americans using nock points on their strings. Since the time period for historical bows is pre-1900, there might be a picture somewhere of someone other than a Native American adding a mocking point. Or maybe just put a mark on the string where you want to nock the arrow and have a go at it. I usually end up shooting my self bows for a couple of days before I get around to adding the nock point anyways.
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Thanks guys for your incredible help.

Yes, bow design needs to predate 1900. I got a selfbow, so pretty much in line with 30,000 years of history.

I think I'll try anyway with a nocking point. It's removed easy enough. Wish me luck.

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Good luck!  Frank
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FWIW In 2014 at the IFAA World Field Championship my Native American Flat Bow/Self Bow passed equipment inspection with tie on nock sets. 
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Thanks mate 😉
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Hi everyone

Just wanted to say thanks for your help. I had a nocking point attached to my string and no issues at the gear inspection. Also landed 2nd place. And landed a few arrows that left the compounders stunned. Great weekend.

Below is  a photo of my bow.

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Excellent!
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Great shooting.  Glad it worked out for you.  And, nice looking bow.
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