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James Donahue

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Reply with quote  #76 
I have to go with Nate on this, the swing draw is how I learned as a kid,came natural - I just can't shoot static my hand eye coordination don't like it one bit

I can hit with confidence with  this technique -The static requires too much  thinking interfearence  for me  and I don't do well when that happens

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Larry Dean Brandes

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The gentleman that I referred to is a very good hunter.  He wants to change two things. He wants to hunt on the ground and he wants to be able to be more versatile.  After he successfully killed my garage, I had him do about 20 blank draws. That is all it took for him to get things right in his head. He is using the Schulz swing draw with a Bear recurve. It can be done, one just needs to slightly straighten out the bow arm side of things, so the bow does not feel like it is slipping, he started out with a longbow bent bow arm. I had no longbow for him, since I gave my 66" yew glass and my 68" yew/bamboo bow away, they were both too heavy for him anyway, and I was not about to let him draw my go to bows to his nearly 28" draw.  He worked it out, without another word about how to aim.

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Originally Posted by George
   I find that when I concentrate I shoot more accurately - most of the time.  But, I have noticed a somewhat strange phenomenon, that being, that when I snap off a shot when it looks good, it usually is good.  I never have been a snapshooter, but I don't think it is as bad as I have heard some say. 

My thinking goes like this:  Blind luck and bad luck aside, in the moment of truth the skills that you got are the skills that you brought—and they are as finite as the bow/arrow in your hands. Shooting quickly may or may not be a skill that you’ve brought to the party. If it is then you may have the ability to get-er-done. Hence reliably “snapping off” a controlled/purposeful/accurate shot is simultaneously a culmination of experience *and* a conditioned skill which then can reliably get results.

It bears repeating tho: Fast is smooth and smooth is fast. When form becomes ingrained and baked in to your subconscious smooth-n-fast happens quite naturally, but may appear to happen in a snap to the casual observer (and even to the archer himself).  This even includes aiming.  Yet the cliche “You can’t get there from here” deserves emphasizing because one simply can’t reverse engineer ther way into shooting fast by shooting fast— it all starts and ends with good and proper form. The results are indeed cumulative. And I think to some degree that may be what you are experiencing. 


***Edited to add:  There’s gobs of wisdom in this thread, so read and delve into it as far as you like. It’s good stuff. Aiming (no matter how you go about it) really isn’t all that hard. Nor does aiming demand mystic powers of intense concentration to happen, but it does demand consistent/reliable/predictable/repeatable form. If that’s not there then your “aiming” is all for not and pointing may be as good as it gets for you. But, as good form becomes ingrained and improves so will your ability (and your conditioned intuitive ability) to call and place (aim) a shot. Even ones that you’ve never attempted before even with great confidence, or at surprising distances and/or with speed.  Likewise, good form will allow you to adjust your aim one shot to the next. Up, down, right, left.  But perhaps most important is when a shot goes astray (and they certainly will) you’ll know exactly why—and so, be able to correct your form and/or adjust your aim as/if need be for the next shot. You’ll have answers and a solution to your error then and there. The alternative however is often going down the dark rabbit hole of target panic. 


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My take is this.  In some way or another you have to concentrate on what you want to hit. 

We have all developed forms  and shooting styles that work for us.   There may be other forms and shooting styles that work better, at least in some formats,  but we each do what we do.


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Reply with quote  #80 
I still maintain that essentially experienced archers  all concentrate intently throughout most of the shot sequence. However, it tends to be breaks in concentration that causes most of us to lose control of a shot. Whether a swing through or straight pull aiming process is used, it must be properly executed for maximum accuracy.   The trick is that once we figure out which shooting style fits us best, we have to keep our head intently in the game until the shot is successfully completed.
Sam McMichael

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Reply with quote  #81 
Without intention there is no concentration or focus. "Make up your mind, you shoot to hit or don't shoot at all" is all someone should be taught about mental approach of the shot. Lost focus, lost concentration is nothing but a sign that you forgot why where you at full draw - wandering mind in the future, to the wife's words before leaving home or to the damn bird who's chirping behind are signs you are not committed. The intention rides the shot sequence, focus and concentration are nothing but (wrong imo) words used to quantify it.
To go back to the initial question, the snap shooting works when the archer is committed to the act of shooting the bow with the intention to hit the target. 

"Practice not until you get it right, practice until you can't get it wrong." - Unknown
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