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There's no doubt that the popularity of reverse handle ASLs has grown over the last couple years and I started building my own as well.  I like the design and really think it makes the bow less prone to the effects of torque at the shot.

However, I often wonder how often this design was built and used historically.  The only picture I've ever seen of Howard Hill using is this one that we've all seen.  I've never seen a pic of John Schulz shooting one.

Can any of you that are more knowledgeable on ASLs comment on how frequently this design was built/used or is the popularity of it simply a more contemporary phenomena?  -Just curious. 

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The picture of Howard looks to me more like a mid handle than a complete reverse handle.
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Here is a great example of a reverse handled longbow, bowyered by John Shulz!!!
Named "Mountain man 11" maple riser maple limb core, chocolate brown glass back and white belly glass, 68"57#@28" in excellent condition!!!
Enjoy!!!

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There is one other pic I can think of. Howard shooting one at an exhibition in Japan in 57.
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A few different angles!!! The reverse handle performs like a longbow 7-8 pounds heavier than the marked weight on the bow!!! Simply because the string is closer to the belly side of the limb, giving smoother draw and greater cast!!!

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A year or two ago I sold a Root "Game-King" reverse-handle reflexed flatbow that I think was made in the mid-to-late 1950s. Really cool little bow, but at 62" or 60" long (I forget which) it was too short for my longer draw and I didn't want to risk blowing it up. It had the laminated "butcher block" style riser like the other Root models from that era, but the riser/grip shape looked just like a Northern Mist Whisper/Ramer/Sprague (or JD Berry Valor) riser with a mild locator grip. The grip was probably just a little fuller (deeper and wider) than the average Whispers and Ramers that I've seen and held. It had green woven-style glass, and the back glass ran all the way up and over the riser. The limbs were flatter and wider than an ASL, and the limbs had a little backset. It was not a reflex/deflex bow-- the limbs were straight along the belly side of the riser, and then gently reflexed from the fadeouts out to the tips. Nice "D" shape when strung. If that bow had been longer, I'd probably still have it.
I'd never heard of the Game-King model before I came across mine. I think Root also made a "Game-Master" bow-- that one may have been similar (or a predecessor or successor) to the Game-King.
 
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Neat bow Jacques.  The shape of that riser and sight window gives me the impression the bow was intended to appeal to recurve shooters.

Jim - Any pics of the "Game-King"?

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Its essentially the same riser that Shawnee Archery used on the early "Howard Hill recurve".

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I have a handful of 50's Roots myself that feature the reverse handle mild locator grip too, some of my best shooting bows for sure. I'm not lucky enough to have found a longbow version for the collection though, mine are semi-recurve or recurves.

Here's a link to the Root "King" series bows:

https://shakespearearchery.blogspot.com/2018/06/ernie-roots-first-bows-king-longbows.html?m=1

Here's my favorite Root that I own, a mid-50's 62" Game-Master.

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jsweka,
This ia a Schulz built “Cheetah”. You hit the nail on the head, John told me this bow was specifically built with the recurve shooters in mind. It’s one of 12 he built.

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Reverse handle and an endless loop string !?!?! Love that guy
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I'm not sure where I saw the picture, maybe in an early Howard Hill Archery brochure. Looked like he was in Japan.  Bob Swinehart used several, they are pictured in his two books. In Africa near the back, and in Sagittarius, in the chapter where he discusses his equipment, about page 91 there are two on a bow rack showing 4 or 5 bows. 
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The earlier versions ( pictures) I have seen looked like standard handled bows turned backward.
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Sorry, no pics of the Root Game-King. I must have deleted them.
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100_9067.jpg  Believe to have been built by John Schultz for the HH company in the mid to late 70's still in very good condition.100_9068.jpg  100_9069.jpg  100_9072.jpg  100_9073.jpg  100_9074.jpg  100_9076.jpg  100_9077.jpg  100_9078.jpg 
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About a year ago I was looking for an old .22, digging through the closets. During the search I came across this. I don't recall aquiring it and didn't know I even owned it. It isn't marked at all but the glass tells me the early 1970's is the latest it would have been made. I'm guessing late 60's. I still haven't built a string for it.
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Well, the pics were there when I previewed. Trying again.
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I don’t know the history of it but I am a fan. I have a Big 5 with a forward handle that is a real tack driver.

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I'm not sure where I saw the picture, maybe in an early Howard Hill Archery brochure. Looked like he was in Japan.  Bob Swinehart used several, they are pictured in his two books. In Africa near the back, and in Sagittarius, in the chapter where he discusses his equipment, about page 91 there are two on a bow rack showing 4 or 5 bows. 


Hud,

Your going to have to show me a picture??  I've never heard or seen a photo of Bob Swinehart using a reverse handle.

I tried to find your references in both books and could not find a thing that looked like a reversed??

Page 94-95 has this photo?
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or this one..

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Can't find any reverse handles????

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Crickets !!!! If you didn't know bob was a lefty, the bows on the rack look like right hand reverse handle bows . Just saying.
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