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Members,

John Schulz sent me this email today and asked that it be posted.


From John Schulz.

In picking up a heavy suitcase, the whole hand from index finger to pinky
grips the handle the same in gripping a bow handle. To heel the bow - is to exert pressure
on the bow grip with the bottom fingers and the butt of the palm.

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perty darn clear there for me
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Again... Thanks Darren[thumb]
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I'm very new to shooting the ASL, and yesterday I wasn't paying much attention to my grip, my groups were spreading wide both left and right and I couldn't tell what was causing it. After reading the other Schulz post going currently about heeling the bow, I went out today using basically the same hand position (based on what I've been reading and seeing in pics), but this time I put a firmer grip focus on my lower fingers so that I could feel it pressing into the heel of my palm.  To my delight, this improved the whole feel of my shot and the arrows started grouping with much less horizontal spread.  This post just reinforced that I may be headed in the right direction. 
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That's what I do!
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  You don't have to grip the bow, any bow, at all. All you have to do is hold it, draw it, and then loosely wrap your fingers around the handle. The act of drawing forces the bow in to your hand. As Bob Burton stated earlier today, the suit case analogy is related to the alignment.


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Bill,

It’s an honor to assist John Schulz with passing this information to our members.

Darren

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Just an awesome note from John. You have indeed been honored Darren. Straight from the horse's mouth and absolutely clear... top that!
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Hi Darren,

Please thank John for the additional information.  It clarifies how I should apply pressure to the bow in order to heel the bow... ie with the pinky to middle fingers grip more.  So I am going to try this.

However, I still don't understand the alignment of the bow in the handle... Should the handle lie along the line from the web of the thumb (W) to the thumb joint (A)  or instead along the line from W to B.  There is a picture on the other thread of Howard Hill holding it like the latter.  I can heel the bow using either alignments, I just wonder which one Howard Hill believed was the right way.
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Just an awesome note from John. You have indeed been honored Darren. Straight from the horse's mouth and absolutely clear... top that!

I’ll second that Charles!!

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I guess I am alone, but I don't follow. Grab the bow like picking up a suitcase (all fingers)... heel the bow ( lower fingers)....which is it ?
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Alex, Hold the grip in your hand, it will go into the web. and the thumb will joint will be along the side of the grip. Then exert pressure
on the bow grip with the bottom fingers.

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This is just my opinion, and we all know what opinions are, but I think we may be over analyzing this suitcase handle grip. The force on the hand when lifting a suitcase is the opposite when drawing a bow. I think Howard may have used that just as an illustration that the bow is held with full contact across the hand along the thumb pad and nothing more. He said in the “My Method of Shooting the Bow and arrow booklet “: “ I simply hold the bow handle the same as I would the handle on a suitcase”. I think by using the word simply his intent was that it is not complicated, just hold it in your hand. No one ever studied and analyzes how to hold a suitcase.
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Great point Paul....don’t you know HH would be shocked how much time we spend discussing one statement he made...?
I’m sure he would prefer that time to be spent shooting!!!

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I'll tell ya whats weird is that after watching the original video of Schulz shooting and teaching the Hill method of shooting the longbow, I actually got a big suit case and would pick it up in my left hand then pickup my longbow the same way.  I would alternate between the two and I actually added weight to the suitcase  after doing this.  When I pick up a suitcase now it automatically comes up in front of me like I am going to draw a bow string from it!  That part ain't true but the first part is.  I also use to squeeze those grippers to build up grip strength.  I found that the bottom 3 fingers seem to be the most firm on the grip at least for me.  I don't know how for the life of me folks shoot with an open loose hand when shooting a longbow with a straight grip on it.  
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