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Ugly Coyote

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I was thinking about Ande Vail and something Hugh Rich told me about him.

Ande was sickly as a child and still a bit frail as an adult, although that didn't stop him from doing such things as hunting in Mexico. During WWII he tried to join various branches of the military, but always got a 4F classification due to his physical condition. He even attempted to be a pilot. It was during that testing that he had his depth perception evaluated. Today that's accomplished electronically, but back then it was a manual test. Basically, there was a table with two blocks of wood that had strings attached and were set in channels. You would stand at the opposite end and the tester would set the blocks at different distances from the end of the table. You would then pull the strings until you had the blocks lined up evenly. Most people get close, but Ande was dead even. Time after time.

Ande was considered by some people to be a better trick shot than Howard Hill.

Considering that good depth perception allows you to perceive the distance of objects, the question is, do the better shooters have better depth perception?
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IME believe so. Before I had my cataracts removed I may not have seen a target clearly at 40 yards but I didn’t have an issue hitting it. In fact when I was preparing for the procedure the surgeon asked me about lenses for near and far. He mentioned if I had one eye done one way(distance), the other(close) I would lose some depth perception. I chose both eyes for distance which I do not regret. So, yes, I believe so. I also believe those with better than 20/20 vision are better shooters, guns, bows, golf, etc.
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Genetics have a saying in becoming competent at a skill. I believe that better depth perception helps the archer in general. By how much? Hard to say.
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Not sure. It can't hurt, but i think the ability to see very well and to be able to zone in at a small portion of a target is more important. I also think, although some are more adept at this than others, training to achieve this capability helps.
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I firmly believe it is very important. It helps in judging distance and in figuring angle on an up and down shot. All I'm going on is that mine used to better, and I used to be a better shot.
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Up until 2008, I was fairly athletic, was a decent golfer, and could place better than most in a 3D shoot. In 2008 I had a major left eye injury. Long story short, after 3 surgeries on the same eye, I was left with pretty poor vision in that eye. So I had my one good right eye, and a left eye that was extremely near sighted, and let too much light in. Once I recovered, and to this day, my golf game suffered, especially putting, and reading the contours of the gree. My archery skills suffered also as far as estimating distance. To the target. But, that’s just me. Oh and another thing, trying to where corrective lenses made everything worse. I felt like I was off balance all the time.
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Seems to me that depth perception is extremely important in instinctive shooting, slightly less so but still pretty darn handy with gap/POA/sights shooting.
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I'd say it's pretty important.
November of 2018 I had cataract surgery for an early onset condition in my left eye.  Being nearsighted I opted for Lasik in my right eye (dominant eye) to try and match.  The lens in my left eye is AWESOME.  I call it "my bionic eye" in that I've never seen with such clarity at distance.  The lasik eye isn't nearly as good which has really affected depth perception especially since my non dominant eye is so much sharper.  Things seem very two dimensional now.  My goal for the spring once the snow melts is to shoot further distance (kinda what Steve Graf describes in his book) to better develop/learn the arrows trajectory.
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Now I know my problem.  I use mono-vision.  I am near sighted and I correct my dominate right eye for distance and don't correct my left eye so I don't need reading glasses.  Works great but maybe it is effecting my shooting.  
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Good to excellent depth perception sure can't hurt your accuracy.
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Ira,

Do you know if there’s any video of Ande shooting?

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Darren, yes there is. He made a lot of films. Unfortunately only one shows up in a search. Sure would like to know what happened to the others. If you Google his name it will come up.

I'm not savvy enough to embed it here. Maybe you can do that.
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I Google his name and did not find anything. If you find the link to a film just copy and paste it here.
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I can usually copy and paste OK, but this time I can copy but not paste.

Are you spelling his first name with an e or a y? A lot of people make the mistake of using a y.
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Ande Vail  Mexico hunt.  A shame it short and doesn't finish.




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I know how to spell his name. When I googled last night all the topics that written about Ande on TAS came up but no videos. The second video that Deno posted I seen several years ago. If you know of more videos please post them here.
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Thanks Deno!

The second video is the only one I've ever seen.
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