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A couple of weeks ago I've seen an announce for a DH Ventura, #55@28", and I couldn't let it go since it was my "dream" bow. I received the bow yesterday but due to the rain I couldn't take it out for a test. The bow is a '91 model and I didn't have a new B50 string for it but I have some D97 strings for 66" AMO. It has black glass and it is in pristine condition - it has the mounts for a bow quiver (the bow came with a Delta bow quiver, I received today after the shooting session). I've checked on net about pros and cons for FF strings and "vintage" bows and decided to shoot it using the string I have until I'll receive the new B55 strings I ordered. 
The bow is LONG, beautiful and light for the size - just 35oz /992g. 

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I verified how the string sits on the bow tips and it was looking good. I added a small piece of velcro where the string was lifting and I decided to change the silencers position on the string. Instead going for 1/3 and 1/4 I went for 1/6 and 1/10. 

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I am using the same 562gr arrows I used for the showdown between Mamba and Black Widow. The BH is 7 5/16" 
When I measured it, the bow is showing a #56.3 on my scale at 28" which makes the arrows to be right on 10gpp.
I've shot it through the chrono and the bow is not a dog: 169 fps average. What surprised me is how well behaved the bow is in hand - no shock and the bow is quiet - a short movie shooting at 20m.

 

I think the 1/6 and 1/10 placement worked. 
The point on is 42m, I've shot 5 arrows and this bow is accurate

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Final impressions? The bow is what I was dreaming to find in a one-piece recurve. It has the length, it has the draw weight and it has the feeling of the shot of a target bow but it is more than this. I am looking forward for the new B55 strings, but the bow handled the D97 without problems.


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I am primarily an ASL shooter, but that bow looks really nice. 
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Thanks, it really is. It is as long as my ASL - AMO 66" - and the same size as my Black Bear warf with SF Velocity Pro long limbs.
Some subtle details:
- the grip is in between Mamba and SuperDiablo as geometry
- the shelf is more rounded compared with the two
- the side of the window is again better rounded compared with the two 

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I've got a couple of Venturas. I started with low stretch strings, but switched to B50. Much smoother and seems to shoot better...
Good find btw, hard to find in the heavier weights and with black limbs. I'm jealous 😏. IMO one of the best production bows ever made, and reasonably priced too.
If I only knew back then what I know now...

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Dave, you are right. I had an extra B50 string for my longbows bought from LancasterArchery and I tried it on Ventura. The tip fit was perfect but the nock fit was way too tight for my liking. I reserved it and I've got the arrow nock fit I like - to click but when rotating around the string it is not turning the string with it.

And I went with it to the range. 

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Two things I verified :

1. Speed of the arrow with Dacron instead FF. I averaged 164 fps with same 562g arrow, 5fps slower. But when I've shot bareshafts the arrow was showing way too stiff even if "fletched arrows were going where I was looking".
2. I increased the fieldpoint weight from 200g to 250g and I've got a ~ 610g arrow (10.85gpp) and I chrono-ed it again and I was surprised: 159 fps average. This bow is a performer. 

The bow went from quiet to quieter and the bareshaft was flying good . Looking forward to the B55 string.
The extra weight and Dacron string came with some negatives too - the major one was the Point On moved from 42m to 30m. But overall I am impressed with the bow. I think my ILF rigs will take the bench for a long while.

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I went on the course and I had a blast
A short movie shooting 2 small animals targets at 16 and 23 yards



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This bow became my 3D rig and my ILFs now are resting and collecting dust. I changed for my favourite arrows Fleetwood 350, 31.5 POB and 520gr and the bow it is still very quiet. Today on the course a small bunny was eating his meal in the middle of the "lane", around 12 yards from the target. I've shot above him from 22 yards and to my surprise he just stayed there listening - seconds later he was eating again. An hour goes by and I come back to the same target and the bunny was still there - now close to the 20m field arrow (we marked field known distances with obsolete arrows). I decided to shoot the target from 25m arrow and film bunny's reaction. 



To my surprise, the bunny again just had the "what's that?" moment and he continued his activity. I have the bunny's confirmation: the bow is quiet. If the arrow was going toward him, the reaction was maybe different - if any at that distance. This made me think that animals are jumping the string as a reaction to the arrow coming for them not the sound of the bow.

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Yesterday I posted my way of aiming and what I am looking for when I am choosing the bow and arrow combo but I deleted it. I will repost it, maybe someone will find something usable in all this. I changed the arrows for two reasons : I use them for years and my mind is used to 31.5" arrow and a 9-9.5 gpp arrow is the best for me in 3d competitions. I am looking for two things : 
- the “flat” arrow trajectory to happen between 15 to 25 yards
- the gap (arrow oriented toward the target) to stay most of the time inside the target's silhouette for these distances

Since most of the targets are medium size animals, when I am trying to find the gaps, I don't shoot level of the eye target, but low-down target. 
I am shooting using pic-a-point (arrow tip is oriented to a specific point I am focusing on) from 15 to 35 yards to establish the gaps. After that I transfer them to split-vision.
With this bow and arrow combo, the target looks like this:

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From 15 to 25yards the arrows are hitting very close to each other - in a 4" circle  - 17" above the reference point. This is one reference point for me. 
The 30 and 35 yards gaps are close enough to my point on. With the point on at 39 yards anything above 30 yards will be a "point on" intuitive gap.
Once the arrow trajectory was determined I am just going on the course and I am finding the anatomic part that works for the reference point for a 20-ish yards distance

On the standing bear - reference point is at the hip joint level (red line on the pic)

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On the bedded deer, the reference point is down below the target equal with the distance from the edge of the target to the X. 

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For the howling wolf, the reference point is at the knee level

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I am doing this for all the targets and once memorized, any type of target is getting just one reference for any distance between 15 and 25 yards.
The blur of the arrow is oriented to that anatomic part in the peripheral vision. 
This method of establishing the ballpark for multiple gaps is called "gap compromise". I find it easier instead learning each gap for each distance. Am I always hitting the x ring? No. But I am confident that the arrow will always be in the vicinity of it at least if I am not cutting corners in execution.  And this way of aiming allows me to not worry about exact distance.

With this bow and arrow combo, it looks like this



The reference point is the hoof level of the hog.

With the White Feather Lark riser I developed a bow and arrow combo getting me one single reference between 10 to 30m. The bow weight was #54 OTF and the arrow was 320gr and instead split-vision I was using pic-a-point aiming method. It is very accurate but I found that outdoor, when shadows, sun and grass are involved requires too much "thinking". Split-vision it is better imo.


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