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  I believe that.

  I have never seen an archer who was formally trained in Eastern archery whether it is Kyudo or any other type that DIDN'T use a draw like he shows. I've also never seen may that shoot a bow with a high wrist grip.
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You cant have a hight wrist with a stick and a full speed horse under. The damn stick will hit you in your head if by miracle you are capable to bring it up.
PS You see a lot of eastern archers having their bow hand index pointing toward the target. It’s part of the “instinctive” aiming in some degree too. And John Shultz points his index finger too in his video when teaching how to raise the bow.
He is doing it without even talking about or caring to explain the gesture. It shows how hard is to teach what’s natural. Ma is teaching the natural because he had a source from people who analyzed, thought and described it way before him.

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Steve, the video is better



What he says it is taught in any eastern traditional archery, but it is easy to learn it since the draw starts “from above” line of sight and the sequence is easy to master. If you really check his other videos about alignment you will find that swing-draw is very weak in his opinion. Good source for bow shoulder end position but to apply it for “drawing from below” like swing-draw it is far from the best.
The old advise to go for the feel of “dip first before raising the bow” is aligning the bone with the centre of the joint (since dip = extension that can be obtained just by relaxing all the shoulder muscles) and your elbow will point naturally out instead down when the raising of the hand happens.



I’m giving this video post by Draven a bump along with a sincere word of gratitude for contributing it.

The shoulder positioning demonstrated is critical for me to avoid impingement and aggravating the bursa and rotator cuff on my bow shoulder. More especially with some of the heavier bows I enjoy. (Flare ups lasting weeks can happen fairly easily anymore if I’m not mindful of this or get careless). This video was a refreshing validation of what I’ve come to do naturally— more especially as age and life’s wear-n-tear creep along.

Furthermore, I’lll humbly submit that in fact using this positioning of the bow shoulder is wholly compatible and desirable—dare I say ideal—when using a swing draw regardless of the bow poundage.


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Omly thing i wish for is to have someone dub in a huge crashing sound right after he releases that first arrow....

A certain well known bowyer has been after me to do basically that with my bow shoulder. I think it works, AND it keeps you from easily moving that arm at release.

Thanks guys

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I did too !

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do very simular with my swing draw tech??


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Very interesting video

Watching him draw AND HOLD a #118 bow makes me want to go and ice my shoulder!!
And he was rock solid at anchor, then to do it left handed!!

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Yelp Tim.. I don't think I would want to try, to pick on him.  ;^)    ...OE
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Very interesting video

Watching him draw AND HOLD a #118 bow makes me want to go and ice my shoulder!!
And he was rock solid at anchor, then to do it left handed!!


Draw as he is doing it and you will gain at least #20 additional to what you can draw now, no other training required. 
The principle is simple: you want to keep the plan of travel for the string / arrow as close to the plan of your shoulders while drawing, to minimize the effort to not break the "preset alignment" in the other joints. 
Similar is happening for the SD and the technique is effortless on joints if you keep your string hand travel close to the body while drawing - this will align the string elbow naturally with the arrow, keeping those two plans I talk about close one to another. 
In his video, rotating the elbow is the natural thing to do and get the elbow "out". In SD, you can achieve the same if you rotate the bow hand wrist slightly toward your adjacent tight. Due to the way the bow is gripped, you will get a consistent canting angle and additional bonus the angle JMC was talking about.

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Very interesting video

Watching him draw AND HOLD a #118 bow makes me want to go and ice my shoulder!!
And he was rock solid at anchor, then to do it left handed!!


No kidding! I’ve been dabbling in developing my left side this winter. That’s impressive.

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Totally makes sense. Thanks for putting it out there. I tried it and it makes my bow arm steady.
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