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Guys, Hello. I am new here. I will be a sponser very soon.
Anyway, I did a review on TradGand on the ArrowDynamics Stinger tapered shafts. There was a debate going on about AD so I just wanted to see for myself if these shafts were any good. Below is my review.



I just put the AD Stinger tapered shafts through the test over the weekend.
I have to say, these were not as bad as some of your guys past experiance was.
Maybe the quality control is better. This is my first experiance with the brand, so I have no past experiance to compare it to.

First off, the 400 spine shafts actually came in at 440spine on my scale. Probably due to the taper. FULL Disclosure, I am no expert at testing spines on carbon. I usually take the manufactures word.

All 4 shafts were with in 3 grains of each other in weight. The wood shaft was obviously heavier by approx 40g. (Same spine)

I am not sure what straightness Glen sent me, but they all were built exactly the same and all spun true on my spin tester.

As far as flight, they flew very well and it appears to have a little more trajectory than a .254 parallel shaft of the exact same weight.

These Stinger shafts also were producing a consistent 3 fps gain over the .245 parallel shaft of same weight.

I took the shafts stumping and really tried to break them. I typically “foot” the ends of my shafts, however, I chose not to do it with these as I wanted to see if they can handle to torture on their own! I had a 50% success. One shaft split on the point end from a direct front hit on a hard locust stump. Another withstood a direct hit on a concrete block but the nock end cracked ever so slightly.

The other 2 shafts took everything I could do to it. As did the Wood covered shaft. However, the wood grafics got scratched up pretty bad on a off camber shot on the concrete block. I shoot black shafts, so not a worry of mine. I think any wood/carbon shaft would have scratched.

The good:
~I would say I am pretty please with the Stinger tapered shafts. I like the standard .244(5/16”) front end and the standard .165 (G-nock) rear end.
~I was happy with the shafts overall weight as it was not too heavy. It allowed me to load up the front end and get a nice overall weight and high foc.
~I also like the slight increase in speed and wind direction that the micro diameter showed on the nock end.
~Price. At $125-$165/doz depending on the grade, that is a heck of a deal as far as I see it.
~I like the use of “standard” components.

The bad:
~The ID on the ends were slightly inconsitant. I had to trim a 1/2” of the front and rear to get a good end for the component installation. Not a huge deal, but non the less.
~50% breakage. No I did torture these poor shafts. But footing and pin nocks would probably solve this. BUT, not everyone out there likes footing their shafts and using a pin nock.
~Grafics. Just a simple screen print. Not durable at all. However, I hate grafics, so I just took them off anyhow.
~Top coat. Lack of finish coating that I am aware of or could tell on these shafts. No coating like the CE Bufftough, or the Victory ICE coating. I am a fan of the Victory ICE coating, but I am not sure if it is really needed.
~The .165 nock end. I don’t know, I was never a fan of the .165 diameter shafts. I always liked the .204 (Axis) shafts. It would be cool to have had these on a slight taper from .245 to a .204 nock end. However, Glen told me he could not achieve this on this equipment.

Build: 400 spine Stinger(black shaft) Cut to 31”
60g TOPHAT SS insert
265g points
Easton G nock (I think I would use the Bohing Blazer F nock)
7” white wraps.
3-4” parabolic feathers. Straight fletched. Right wing.
Total Weight: 588g
FOC: 24.5%
FPS: 150
Momentum: .39 slugs

Testing was done on a 62” Hurst Amiable. 46# at my 29” draw

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First ,welcome Jason, great review, I like your style!
I have heard about your recent acquisition, we are anxious to see what you do with an already stellar product. I have asked Joes advice in the past and valued his wisdom.

I would think it does make sense to add an arrow line up to your offerings, but which is a big decision. I have very limited experience with AD, but have also heard a lot of grumbling about a lack of QC, perhaps undeserving.
I do think compatibility with components is really important, especially since you have a lot of guys buying your product that like to tinker....many in preparation for a big hunt.

I’m sure if I looked the shaft up I would answer my own question, but what is the reference to “wood”? Is this a composite of sorts, and if so, perceived advantage?


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I had AD when they first came out. I remember they were definitely a tough shaft and if I remember correctly they had good weight.
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I too am curious  about the reference to "Wood". Are you saying the shaft is a composite of wood and carbon. Or does the shaft just have a wood grain graphic on the surface?

And what did you mean by " also like the slight increase in speed and wind direction"?

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Thanks for the review.  One of the reasons I haven't used AD shafts in the past is I could never figure out what spine they were.  I believe they were offered in light and heavy or something like that.  Now, it appears they have a spine designation. 


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Some clarifications:
“Wood” shaft meaning AD wood graphics. They make a standard black carbon and a wood graphics covered carbon. The wood version adds a significant amount of weight.
Should read “wind deflection” not “direction”

Thanks for the kind words.

I am very excited to continue manufacturing the TUFFHEAD and MEATHEAD broadheads. Joe is a great guy and I plan on carrying on the name as he has. Like Joe, I am always eager to talk hunting, broadhead, bows, arrows and tuning anytime. Just give me a call on my shop phone and I will answer or get back to you.
Unlike Joe, I am NOT retired and have a day job. Actually 2. LOL This is a new venture for me and I work nights and weekends on it. I plan to do some shows this year and possibly more next year.

I have lots of ideas and ways to better the already great product.

I am glad to be part of Traditional Archery Society and the trad community!

My sponsership $ should be in this week and I will then be an official sponser here.

Looking forward to chatting and hopefully meeting you all someday soon.


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It would take a lot for me to even consider shooting one of AD's shafts. They burned too many people with quality issues in the past. They weren't unfounded complaints either. A friend recently bought some and they wildly varied in grain weight. Of course the owner would send a better set to a possible vendor, but the rest of us get stuck with whatever they send out.
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X-impacts fill a micro micro niche
Incredibly accurate, tight tolerances....I personally have concerns about strength but a lot of guys (including my son) kill a lot of critters with them

Deep impacts are quality micros, and seem tough. They are all I have had experience with

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"This is a new venture for me and I wok nights and weekends on it."  So if I'm reading this right you are working nights and weekends at a Chinese Restaurant.[biggrin]

Sorry bout that. Sometimes I just can't help myself.
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LOL.
I hope my wife doesn’t see that! She is my “advertising” girl. And she always complains about my spelling errors!

But ya, I am the steamed rice and stir fry veggie guy and “The House of Ming” in town!

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Thanks for the review!
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Good sense of humor and a great product. Don't get no better!![smile]
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