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Lately I have come across several bows that had me raise an eyebrow.  One says on it Martin (handwritten) and then Savannah with a picture of a live oak tree. The colors are somewhat different than any Savannah I've seen.  I thought they were all marked "Howatt" and I haven't seen the live oak.

Then there was one with hand-written "Hill" then another word that is illegible and then "longbow". The length and style doesn't seem to fit any current models on their website.

Lastly, there was a Bear with no emblem or "coin" and instead of XX# it is written XXDW and 28-in (as opposed to 28").

All the above are based on photos in for sale ads. None showed a serial #, although there may be one if I can contact the seller.

I am no expert.  I have only reviewed bows on-line or in catalogs with just a handful in person. I have some interest in buying one of these but I remain somewhat skeptical.

Are there knock-off bows out there?  

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Yes there are nock offs out there, most are made in China and some in Korea. That said most say some where of their model/company name or it is known that they are not made in US. RE the Martin: Martin Archery was bought at a foreclosure sale a few years back. Believe the new owners  don't have the right to use the Howatt name so some of their bows do not look at all like the ones made by Howatt.

Does the longbow say Hill Style?

Regarding the Bear they have come out with new models recently that do not have medallions so we'd need more information.

Yours for better bowhunting, Kelly

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Reply with quote  #3 
There are also bows made here in the states that are copies of well known bows. Several bowyers have made copies of the 59 Bear Kodiak.  I guess they say that imitation is the highest form of flattery.  

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Reply with quote  #4 
The Samick Equus (Korean) was a Blackwidow SAG copy.
Alexbow is Czech and does a 1 pc Widow horned riser type bow.
Samick also copied the old Blackwidow MA.........forget what it was called.

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Reply with quote  #5 
Most bowyers make a knock off bow in the sense that they model the bows of the original bowyer to use the design. This is often a good thing. As David Mitchell said the imitation is the best form of flattery. It is only a problem when somebody marks an individual bow up falsely to pass it off as having been made by a certain person in an effort to  jack up  the price. This fraudulent practice is only thing I would actually call a knock off, the others are legitimate copies. 
Sam McMichael

Gray, GA

"The spirit of the bow dwells in the heart of all young men" - Geronimo

Hill Wesley Special (2, both 65#)
Hill Cheetah (2, one 55# and one 40#)
Hill Big 5 (50#)
NM Shelton (2, both 53#)
Deathwish Longbow (59#)
Archery Traditions Bamboo Longhunter (3, one 56#, one 60# and one 78#)

Mark Pratt

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Reply with quote  #6 
A Savannah with the Acacia tree decal is what you want.

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The Black Hunter riser looks a lot like a Blacktail riser to me.  

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Ok someone fill me in. While searching for a used Redwing Hunter (my fav recurve) i ran across new ones being produced with the original Wing emblem and all. Not only that, the produce other Wing models. Did they buy the rights from AMF or since it"s not a US based company is this ok? They look like real nice bows just not sure how that can be. Does the Lee family know this? Has anybody bought one of these?
Winfield, Illinois
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