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As a fifteen year old, sometime in 1952, I walked into the downtown library in San Diego.  My mission was to find out everything I could about my new-found joy called archery.  I discovered a book titled  Hunting with the Bow and Arrow by Saxton Pope.  Well, this book quickly seduced me into a romance with archery—a love affair that still embraces me to this very day.  The first part of the book told a very compelling story of Ishi, a northern California Indian, who also had a real love for the bow and arrow.

    I truly believe that reading Ishi's story will enhance anybody's love and understanding of the sport that some of us call traditional archery.  (Learning about archers from the past will boost our understanding of our sport.)  I was a reading instructor for over 30 years, and understand that some people don't really care to do much reading, but reading the very compelling account of Ishi will enrich wonderful bow and arrow insights.  He was (and is) truly a kindred spirit.

    What insights do you have about Ishi?
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  I agree completely. He was a very interesting man who had a very interesting although tragic life. One of the things that I have always been struck by is the profound affect that he had on those that knew him.
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Correct me if I'm wrong.  I haven't read Pope's book in awhile but I recall he was better at target archery than Ishi but as for small game hunting, Ishi was better by far.  This makes me want to pick up that great book again.

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One thing I recall reading about Ishi was his ability to call rabbits.  The whole idea of calling a rabbit intrigues me!
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There was a recent series on The Discovery Channel I think called Alone. It was a pretty well done reality tv series, about surviving alone. The first time I watched it, I thought back to Ishi. I did read Pope’s book. I was totally captivated! I really don’t know if game was more plentiful back then, but even if the food supply was twice what it is now, there is no doubt in my mind, that I would have perished in a very short time.
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Deno, I hate to admit it—but you are right.[frown]    But, yes indeed, go back and read again Pope's book.  It's still the greatest! [smile]
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How many pages does this book have?

The version on my computer has 520, sans any illustrations. Whilst the  paperback copies available online have far fewer pages and appear not to carry any illustrations either.

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Fred:

I totally agree, I have both "Hunting with the bow and arrow" and "Ishi". I have read them both several times and each time is an experience and inspiration. I sometimes wonder how bow hunting would have progressed if the two of them had never met. Pope's book inspired so many famous bowhunters of the past.

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What insights do you have about Ishi?....Wow,,Thats a loaded question,that could take a while to answer..Lets just say,the man was an integral part of my life growing up...It was reported by Pope,that He did shoot better scores at target archery than Ishi..It was also reported,that Ishi did not see the point,in the kind of Target Archery,that the Saldu practiced and was more or less forced to participate...Pope did report that Ishi routinely shot ground squirrels,often with head shots at up to 30 yards..It was also reported by Waterman,that Ishi  became irritated at Pope,while hunting,due to his lack of patience and attention...Pope himself,,reported to the fact of Ishi's focus and dedication to detail,while on the hunt.....A humorous note is,,that Ishi blamed Pope for the lack of game taken on hunts they shared...LOL
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You have different priorities, when you hunt to survive rather than shoot the bow for fun. And Ishi I don't believe was able to comprehend "FUN" as his entire life it was about survival.

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While i agree Bob,,I also believed Ishi knew what Fun was..It was also reported by Pope,that his bow,was his pride and joy and would gladly target shoot,when invited to do so..I think more life like targets and real world scenarios,was more to his liking..Not much different,than many of us today..I think he would have loved 3d...Based on my knowledge of the culture and the area Ishi lived,,I would bet,that he procured meat as much or more,with his fish gig,as with the bow..It is also a known fact,that Ishi and his people,were known for raiding camps and cabins,of early settlers,in the region and was the final demise of the majority of the band,toward the end..When the Lower camp was discovered and raided,it was noted by participants,that they thought it was a dump site by local cattleman,based upon the articles they witnessed strewn around..There is still evidence of that,at the site,in the modern day,,or at least,the last time i was there..
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I forgot to add,that this is 1 of 2 of my favorite pictures of the man...The other,is of him smiling..
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Ishi had an interesting way of shooting a bow and arrow.  Here are some photos of him (and one showing some of his arrows) that I got off the University of California website. I0053302A.jpg 
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It was reported by Pope,that Ishi was the only known archer among Native archers,that used this style and leading others to believe,he was self taught....I always had my doubts concerning this opinion and later discovered old pics of other Ca native people using the same style or at least very similar..I believe it was probably more common than modern people believe,,but  when people became interested in Native style archery,The bow was no longer the predominate weapon of use and its masters few..
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