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So last weekend at the local club 3D tournament, I had an opportunity to shoot with a guy using a TradTech Lobo 17" Carbon ILF Riser with some #50 medium (I think) carbon/wood BlackMax 2.0 recurve limbs that are apparently custom made for TradTech by Win & Win. It was my first opportunity to shoot an ILF bow. I really loved the wood grip on the carbon riser because it made the bow feel, well,traditional. The Lobo actually felt a lot like my 58", #49, Bob Lee Blackhawk with the Micarta riser. I would certainly buy and enjoy shooting one under the right circumstances.  Even though he described it as Lancaster Archery's "entry-level ILF", the total price for the riser and limbs is $650 before shipping and taxes. Not exactly what I would call an entry-level price, but looking at the cost of some other TradTech and Win & Win carbon ILF limbs it might be at the lower end of the mid-range price for a similar rig.

In exchange for me shooting his TradTech, he got to try my 66", #39 Bob Lee P3 recurve with the wood/Micarta riser and my 68", #42 Java Man Impala Supreme with the Micarta riser. He instantly shot them both very well which I attribute to the exceptional design and craftsmanship of both bows.   
 



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Bob, How’s the weight of the carbon riser? 
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Lobo is the Black Wolf by W&W in disguise - anything but entry level riser. If I remember right they have the same price too ($ 499.99 at LancasterArchery)
If you check the price for 17" risers on the market, these twins are the most expensive ones. I am glad you liked it - you should buy one and try it with long limbs 🙂

PS You can get it from UK - Merlin archery around $100 cheaper (after shipping to US)
https://www.merlinarchery.co.uk/win-win-black-wolf-riser.html

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Bob, How’s the weight of the carbon riser? 

Lancaster shows the weight as 1.6 lbs.  Not sure how that compares to my Blackhawk Micarta riser. Felt a little lighter than the Bob Lee.

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Lobo is the Black Wolf by W&W in disguise - anything but entry level riser. If I remember right they have the same price too ($ 499.99 at LancasterArchery)
If you check the price for 17" risers on the market, these twins are the most expensive ones. I am glad you liked it - you should buy one and try it with long limbs 🙂

Saw 3 limb lengths listed, what length bow do the long ones make on a 17' riser? usualy shoot 60" 0r 62" recurves.

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17" with longs will give you a 62" AMO bow
Mediums will be a 60"
Shorts will be a 58"

If you buy limbs measured on 25" riser, add to the poundage at 17" ~ #8 (rule of thumb when you go down 1" of riser = + #1) 
TT 2.0 (and mostly all TT limbs) are rated on 17" so you will be right on the money.

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I shot one of those 17” risers a couple years ago when they came out. A buddy I shoot with bought it with TT carbon/foam limbs. I expected a lighter (physically) bow. Was pleasantly surprised it wasn’t. Although the grip wasn’t for me I liked it better than his Satori with the Border limbs. 
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Darren - Based on Draven's comment that the Lobo is really the W & W Black Wolf, I went back and found the full weight of the bow is 2.6 pounds. That matches my Bodnik Mohawk Chief with the half wood/half Micarta riser and yew limbs exactly.  And it is a little more that 1/2 pound lighter than my 58" Bob Lee BlackHawk. And more than 3/4 of a pound lighter than my BW PSAX. 
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My Black Wolf riser is 782g - 1.72 lbs. It is not necessary heavy, but not a light riser either. It is comparable with a wood riser. 
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So there's a W&W Black Wolf riser for sale over on the TAS Traditional Bowhunters FB Classifeds page at  good price.  Am wondering if anyone is shooting an ILF with longbow limbs.  Looked in the Lancaster Archery catalog briefly last night and it looks like they have only 1-2 sets of ILF longbow limbs available.  Is this one of those things you just don't do? With only a few exceptions, I am discovering that I'm not really a recurve guy.
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I don't shoot longbow ILF because there are a lot of "issues" due to riser compatibility - one of them is "noodling". It looks like they work best with risers with no deflex (like WFL) and BW has deflex. But I've read on TT good reviews on 3 rivers LB limbs used on DAS.
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