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Draven
I will resurrect this topic because I had time to test everything said here. There are many topics on the subject and I remember in one Nate was saying to go at 45-50m and shoot there to learn the release. He was right. For me a clean release is the result of alignment and anchor. The anchor is a point where the alignment happens and is back of the jaw, when the thumb dips behind it and brushes the neck (when I shoot longbow split-fingers). My findings: 
- if alignment happens, the hand has no other direction to go then back and not much
- there is no difference between swing-draw and barebow shooting release if the above happens other than the tempo
- "after release do nothing" is universal
I made a video shooting a week apart the longbow and my barebow rig - target the 60cm face at 45m. Slow motion is the best teaching tool imo.



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fdp
Good post Draven. I agree completely.
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chuckc
I agree as well.  But, until it is engrained,  it is not a gimme to actually do.  When i release,  even before the artow lands, i know .    Bern working hard this year.
ChuckC

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I did too !

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Old3Toe
Fine choice of music too. 

“Take the good where you find it, be honest with yourself, and let the results be your guide.”

Hebrews 11:1

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mountainslicker
Can't Watch video. put in TAS password. Guess I must need another one that I don't know about
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fdp
Funny because the other day you didn't need a password to see the video.
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mountainslicker
Does it show that way on your screen. Does on mine
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Draven
The topic went down the page and I just added the pass. When it is a password, I always use Draven - it is the same on all the videos I posted on TAS
"Practice not until you get it right, practice until you can't get it wrong." - Unknown
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Old3Toe

Question:  Who else recognizes the sound of a perfectly clean release?  Regardless of where the arrow goes, when your release is perfect, does your bow have a different sound or feel that you recognize instantly?  

My ASLs absolutely do (no string silencers btw). When my release is absolutely-perfectly clean there is no soft, familiar, gentle humm of the string following the shot and no vibrations in either the string or bow. Yet there is a certain sound and/or sensation to a perfectly clean release— For me it’s so very quick, but the sound is not really sharp or metallic. It’s something more crisp and satisfying like snapping an ice sickle off on a cold winter morning—where the distinct pop of the ice is instant yet instantly gone. More a sound or a sensation?  I dunno... but I know it when it happens. 

Totally agree tho that a perfectly clean release is the inevitable result of alignment and anchor (back tension). Provided that most of the other details and nuances of my form are there, that arrow will likely find its mark. 

“Take the good where you find it, be honest with yourself, and let the results be your guide.”

Hebrews 11:1

Jet Wolverine 69@28, Kramer Autumn 62@27, Jet Leopard 63@28, Howard Hill Wesley Special 57@27, Jet Warthog 69@28. Two Tracks Echo 60@27.

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Arrow Hunter
When I first got into archery well over 40 years ago these were the same observations we talked about then. How you knew the shot was going to be in draw, and how important the release. How ironic you instinctively figure this out early on and still working on decades later. 
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Draven
I recognize a good release by the feel not by the sound just because my senses are "following" the arrow until it hits the target - my attention is not in the "back" at release. When I watch a movie of me shooting it is different.
"Practice not until you get it right, practice until you can't get it wrong." - Unknown
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Old3Toe
When I first got into archery well over 40 years ago these were the same observations we talked about then. How you knew the shot was going to be in draw, and how important the release. How ironic you instinctively figure this out early on and still working on decades later. 


Ain’t that the truth!  

“Take the good where you find it, be honest with yourself, and let the results be your guide.”

Hebrews 11:1

Jet Wolverine 69@28, Kramer Autumn 62@27, Jet Leopard 63@28, Howard Hill Wesley Special 57@27, Jet Warthog 69@28. Two Tracks Echo 60@27.

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Sam
I made a good clean release once, but I have no idea what kind of password is needed to see this video. 
Sam McMichael

Gray, GA

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Twostrings
  Just relax to release?  In the link below they wired up an archer's string hand.  The muscles that extend the fingers are fired at release.  If I remember right, and I have the right link, the quicker the extensors extend the quicker and cleaner the release.
 
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3880893/#sec1-3title

Discuss.
 
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Draven
I wouldn't go there since none of us - at least the ones posting here - have PhD in anatomy and neurology. 
A good archer will train until the tension on the fingers will be just enough to hold the draw weight at full draw.  A sensation of push in bow hand or a pull past that point should be enough to break the balance and the string to get through the fingers. The release is clean when you achieve this. That's why when you change to a very light bow the release is not great - because the tension in the fingers is not equal with the draw weight you are pulling and string gets tangled in the process of releasing. You need to relearn to calibrate your fingers tension for the draw weight.

PS Just relax to release is valid but not from your point of view. If you execute the draw sequence relaxed, the brain will activate just the sufficient and necessary muscles to get at full draw and the release will be clean because of this. But learning to achieve this requires months and years of mindful training. I've met no Coach telling you to contract a muscle to get a technique right and the reason is obvious.
"Practice not until you get it right, practice until you can't get it wrong." - Unknown
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Sam
I have been working very hard this spring to improve my release. I don't know how many arrows I have shot. I finally discovered that sometimes less is better. It seemed the more I shot, the more I plucked. I concentrated on simply relaxing my hand (with no extraneous consideration regarding the intricate muscle movements involved)  to launch the shot. Shooting in shorter sessions seemed to be more effective, before the frustration overtakes concentration. I shoot 10 or 12 arrows, maybe a few more if things are going well. If things are not so good, I stop and come back later. Executing a few good shoots is far more productive than making many poor ones. So far, it is showing progress.
Sam McMichael

Gray, GA

"The spirit of the bow dwells in the heart of all young men" - Geronimo

Hill Wesley Special (2, both 65#)
Hill Cheetah (2, one 55# and one 40#)
Hill Big 5 (50#)
NM Shelton (2, both 53#)
Deathwish Longbow (59#)
Archery Traditions Bamboo Longhunter (3, one 56#, one 60# and one 78#)

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Old Sailor
I am probably not doing it right because I have never understood the need to consciously release.  It just happens and I never give it a thought.  My concentration is on only one thing and that is engaging my back tension and rotating my elbow around and back until it hits a wall and cannot move any farther.  That wall is my anchor point, my finger in the corner of my mouth is just a guide. When I hit the wall the release happens with no effort on my part and the release is smooth with great arrow flight.  If I don't hit the wall?, well the results can be very obvious.
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timking
Paul, I could only wish.....
maybe when I grow up?

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Old Sailor
When you get as old as I am Tim you will have it down pat!  My biggest challenge is to not release  early, a residual from my years of fighting TP.
Charter Member Traditional Archery Society
Member Colorado Traditional Archery Society

JD Berry Morning Star 54#@28, Northern Mist Classic 54#@28Sovereign Ballistik 60#28, Howatt Hunter 55#@28, Ben Pearson Mustang 46#@28

"But God demonstrates His own love towards us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us."  Romans 5:8

"The problem is not guns, It's hearts without God, Homes without discipline, Schools without prayer, and Courtrooms without justice" ; unknown.

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ShutterbugBowhunter
Great info here.
Shutterbug Bowhunter "In life it is best to have a pure heart and a true flying arrow" (Shutterbug Bowhunter)
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